-pulls hair out-

[gothic_elvis]

Because I know no one really wants to read this but if I don't say it I'll explode:



I seriously want to bash so many heads in right now. Opinions? Fine. But most of the reasons I'm seeing for people not liking the premiere are so damn stupid that I want to vomit all over a cat.

I'm sorry that it didn't fit your perfect little fanfic world-canon but this is SHOW and what they make is CANON. It's not going to suit your ficcie needs.

I was serious in my last post when I said WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT? Sam and Dean to suddenly run into each other's arms then go off into the sunset? Lisa to suddenly explode and Ben just vanish? I don't get it, I really don't.

Either you had your hopes set too high or were expecting something that you should have already know would never happen.

Dean believed Sam to be dead for a YEAR; yes he loves him and obviously wants to be with him again - as shown in the first part - but then he realizes he has an obligation to Lisa and Ben and that if anything happened to them, he would be the one to blame and he wouldn't be able to live with himself.

Of course he loves Sam; OF COURSE HE DOES. DON'T EVEN QUESTION THAT. But I'd be a little peeved too if my brother let me believe he was dead for an entire year and then jumped back in my life and expected me to run towards him with open arms and a heart full of lovin'.

Lisa and Ben, well, Lisa's characterization is still terrible. I still hate that line where she calls it the best year of her life - yeah, okay, so the best year of your life was seeing a man you supposedly 'love' so heartbroken and dead inside and eating away to nothing? but nooooo as long as he acted like a good dad and was with Ben, it doesnt matter how he feels.
That was the only bit about the premiere I was pissed about. I would like Lisa even a LITTLE better if her character wasn't so unnecessary and fake.

Other than that, it was a pretty damn good ep. It left questions - enough that you wanted to know what'll happen next and not so much your head feels like it's spinning still after it's over.

I really just....WTF DID YOU PEOPLE WANT? Ugh. I'm sorry it's not EXACTLY like S1 - did you think it would be? Really? The boys have been through Hell and have been so traumatized that I'm surprised they still have any semblance of emotions at all.

What Sera did was try to give us a new pilot - almost like creating a second part to the series, and I really enjoyed that. But too many people went in there with pre-conceived expectations of it and were just waiting to be let down - and a lot were.


And now there's people that aren't even going to watch it after seeing all the reviews. To that I say :| Whatever; I really don't call you a fan if you don't even have the heart to watch and judge it yourself and are just going to go along with what everyone else says.


And I swear to GOD if I see one more person say they're really excited for ep 3 and can't wait for that ep [and might even skip ep 2] BECAUSE OF CASTIEL I am going to fucking KILL A PUPPY. God, the show is NOT CASTIEL. He is a SIDE CHARACTER. A side kick. A throwaway. jalejrlwekrtanhlwerjawer It doesn't help I hate the guy but now he's the reason that a lot of people are still going to even watch the show and it makes me sick. The show is SAM&DEAN not CASTIEL....and Sam and Dean.

I'll be honest and say before fandom I was fine with Cas - I liked his one liners and his obvious confusion with the world and Dean's jokes but now, I can't stand him. And it's because of fandom. Yes it's terrible to let people drag your view of a character down so far that you can't stand seeing him on screen anymore, but that's how it is. I wish when he had died in the finale he'd STAYED DEAD.


I'm just so fucking irritated with all of fandom right now and want to give it one giant whack in the face. I am not reading reviews this season - I can't. I'm already so down in the dumps from ONE EPISODE and I hate feeling this way. Ugh it's just heartbreaking how many people are giving up or unhappy with Show after ONE EPISODE.

Well, whatever, I say; more left for us that really do enjoy it for what it is and not for what the whiny fans want it to be.



LOL That probably offended a lot of people but, I feel loads better.

Comments

[mysticwaters.livejournal.com]

I just want to say that I'm glad that we are friends. ♥ You pretty much said everything I was too upset and lazy to post on my own LJ. At least I know I'll have you to squee with about show all season. *big hugs*

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

I'm glad we're friends too, bb. <3 We normally seem to have the same opinions.

Yeah I wasn't going to post this and go back downstairs but then I got pissed again and just typed it up really fast before I could change my mind. haha

And yes you totally will! I'm watching this show till the end and i'm SUPER excited for what this season will bring.

[shipwrecking.livejournal.com]

So much word to all of this. Also: the people who are all OMG SAM IS HEARTLESS I HATE HIM DIAF need to get the fuck out too. Both Winchesters went through some hard shit. Of course they're not gonna be BFF's come the season premiere after all that time spent apart and so much stuff crammed between them, come on now.

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

Really, I mean Sam was in Lucifer's fucking cage for who knows how long and it probably really did a number on his psyche - I can totally understand why he'd be a little closed off and repressed in his feelings and emotions - at least until he can let it out; like Dean did in the Heaven and Hell episode. I'm looking forward to that ep. <3

They need time to grow and ease their way back into the relationship - same as it was in the pilot, actually. It'll take lots of time but I fully believe we'll see a little of the side of the Winchesters we're used to by the middle of the season.

[theron09.livejournal.com]

I really agree with this - I think everyone was expecting too much and expecting things that aren't in character at all. Like, Dean's not just going to walk away from Lisa, especially when he thinks he's put them in danger.

And we've been warned time and time again that it's a new story - the apocalypse is over.

And I don't mind Castiel but I really do hate that so many people are saying things like that. I like Cas as a supporting character in the same way that I like Bobby and Chuck. It's not the Castiel show :(

Basically, I agree XD

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

Yeah, really - people spent all summer reading coda fics and had it in their minds that it was gonna go down like those and were disappointed when it didn't live up to that. But they need to remember that fic is fic and that Show is actually canon.

It is; it'd be boring to have the same ol' every single season so they're trying to change it up.

Yeah, Castiel - in all honesty - isn't really needed this season at all so fans should just be grateful he's coming back at all. :p

xD

[theron09.livejournal.com]

I think you're right about the fic thing - hadn't even thought of that!

Exactly, part of the appeal of SPN is that it surprises us by being different.

[micheleeeex.livejournal.com]

i'm glad we agree on the castiel thing. i really hate people saying that they'd wish it was dean and castiel or whatever and i'm like wtf?! THIS IS A SHOW ABOUT SAM AND DEAN WINCHESTER, NOT ABOUT DEAN AND AN ANGEL THAT DIDN'T EVEN APPEAR UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOW ITSELF.

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

Ugh I know - I just aejrlaweralwjerawer it's so aggravating that people have suddenly turned their love from the main characters of the show to an angel that isn't even needed anymore. IDGI.

[qaf-addict-06.livejournal.com]

THIS IS A SHOW ABOUT SAM AND DEAN WINCHESTER, NOT ABOUT DEAN AND AN ANGEL THAT DIDN'T EVEN APPEAR UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOW ITSELF.

A. MEN. Ugh. I don't know how they can WANT the show to be all about Cas. It never has been, it's about Sam and Dean, that's it.

[ashdoode.livejournal.com]

WORD TO ALL OF THIS. OH, bb. You managed to say everything I'm feeling at the moment.

I'll be honest and say before fandom I was fine with Cas - I liked his one liners and his obvious confusion with the world and Dean's jokes but now, I can't stand him. And it's because of fandom.

SO MUCH EFFING YES TO THIS. UGH.

basically, i love you. <3

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

I just want Cas to go awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

<3

[qaf-addict-06.livejournal.com]

But most of the reasons I'm seeing for people not liking the premiere are so damn stupid that I want to vomit all over a cat.

I laughed so hard at that, but it's SO true for me, too. I want to sit them all down and explain the LOGIC of the episode to them since they're apparently all blinded that they're not seeing it.

The boys have been through Hell and have been so traumatized that I'm surprised they still have any semblance of emotions at all.

I'm going to paste here what I put on someone else's journal earlier:

"Sam had LUCIFER inside of his body, taking over him completely. Lucifer made him SLAUGHTER all of those people from his childhood, who he may have cared about at some point, in Swan Song while Sam watched (because he couldn't do anything about it), he made him kill Cas and Bobby, he made him almost beat Dean to death, and then to top it all off, Sam jumped into the pit of HELL while dragging his half-brother, his family, in with him. WHO would EVER be the same person after all that? How could he be the same Sam we've always known? That's ridiculous to think. Of course he's going to be different. He SAVED the whole universe by letting all of that happen. I wish people would stop and think about that."

Your rant about the people who are like, "I'm only going to watch the episodes Cas is in" or "I only still watch because of Cas" is SO spot-on. I EFFING HATE THOSE FANS. There, I said it finally. I like Cas, but not at ALL like those people. I like him as a SUPPORTING character, that's it. I don't understand the people who think the show revolves around him. It's never been about him and it never will be. EVER. Every time I see their comments like that, I want to punch my computer LOL

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

Ikr? People just aren't getting it.

After reading that I believe even more that that is truly Sam and he's just truly traumatized and doesn't know what to do anymore.

Yeah, I had to quit going to spnparty because of that place - I absolutely hate those types of fans.

[aisalynn.livejournal.com]

Whoa, are people actually not gonna watch the episode and wanting to skip the eps that don't have Cas in them? Damn. I like Castiel fine, as a side character. I think he's adorable and funny and I'm happy to see him every now and then, but it wouldn't break my heart to see him leave either. I'm not that attached.

And I'll admit, I was a little disappointed with this episode, but that had more to do with the terrible pacing and (in my opinion, anyway) badly written and edited hallucination scenes. Character wise? I loved it. The meeting between them was anti-climatic, and I'm pretty sure it was on purpose. I'm pretty sure we're supposed to feel how Dean looked at the end--confused, upset and heartbroken. Sam is back, but things aren't magically better, in fact, things seem distinctly off, and that's fantastic, 'cause it's probably going to lead to a great story line.

And I'm going to stop rambling now. :)

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

Yup, it's true. :/

yeah I thought the hallucination scenes were...weird. Especially the one in the bedroom - it gave me the creeps, in a totally bad way.

I'm pretty sure we're supposed to feel how Dean looked at the end--confused, upset and heartbroken. Sam is back, but things aren't magically better, in fact, things seem distinctly off, and that's fantastic, 'cause it's probably going to lead to a great story line

Totally agree with that. :]

[heartsonwings.livejournal.com]

LOVE YOU.


This fandom is so fucking hilarious.

Show is awesome. Show does no wrong. SAM AND DEAN LOVE EACH OTHER AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. I don't care that they're not together NOW because we KNOW they will get back together because that's what this show is about. People need more patience D:

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

♥

It truly is. :/

I know, really; it would be boring if they'd gotten back together and all was right again in the first episode - hell if I'd bet if they had people would be complaining that it happened too soon and they should have dragged it out a little more. This fandom, I swear.

[heartsonwings.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, I remember after Sam and Dean got back together in The End last year, a load of people were saying it was too soon for them to be back together LOL. Not everyone can be pleased at once it seems :/

[contrition.livejournal.com]

I agree, I don't get how people think Dean would just magically be okay with Sam not telling him. I don't blame him for making the decision to stick around with Lisa to protect her and Ben for awhile. I mean, obviously it's going to be amended and Sam and Dean will be back in action (who knows how peacefully), but it would have been unrealistic for him to bail on them in the first ep.

And yeah, Castiel is funny and I don't mind him, but I really don't care that much when he's back. -_- SAM&DEAN SHOW FTW, DAMNIT.

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

I completely agree - he feels obligated to protect Lisa and Ben now and, though I had to admit it, I fully understand. We all know he'll be with Sam again in the end. <3

Yeah its not like "Wooo castieell" It's more like "Yay. -monotone-" lol

[oth-leyton-love.livejournal.com]

YOU ARE MY SPIRIT ANIMAL. I LOVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID.

THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY. YOU SAID IT ALL

ESPECIALLY THIS.

I'll be honest and say before fandom I was fine with Cas - I liked his one liners and his obvious confusion with the world and Dean's jokes but now, I can't stand him. And it's because of fandom.
EXACT REASON I HATE HIM AS MUCH AS I DO! IT'S NOT THE FUCKING CASTIEL-SHOW GUYS. HE'S NOT SLATED TO BE IN EVERY EPISODE. SO SUCK IT FANDOM. SUCK IT.

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

YOU ARE MY SPIRIT ANIMAL.

I have no idea why that made me laugh so hard. xD

I'm glad you agree though bb! Though I thought you would.

I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW I JUST UGH. FANDOM MAKES ME HATE HIM AND I HATE THAT - I HATE BEING SUCKED DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF HATING A CHARACTER BECAUSE OF HIS FANS BUUUUT IT'S HOW IT IS. NOW I SEE AND I GO -_- BUT WHATEVER, I DON'T THINK HE'S GONNA BE A 'MAIN' CHARACTER THIS SEASON ANYHOW.

♥

[oth-leyton-love.livejournal.com]

it's the truth though.

yeah. i'm totally transparent in what i love about the show. also this episode had no stupid angel, IT WAS A WIN NO MATTER HOW SUCKY IT WAS.

I HATE BEING THAT PERSON TOO. I HATEEEEE IT. AND FANDOM WAS JUST BETTER BEFORE CASTIEL SHOWED UP. IT'S NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT FANDOM STARTED SUCKING AFTER SEASON 4 PREMIERE.

[websofseaweed.livejournal.com]

Sam and Dean to suddenly run into each other's arms then go off into the sunset?

LOL, yes, I would like this, but the difference between me and all the crazy people is that I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. :| I mean, seriously.

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

I would like for that to happen to Unfortunately theres fic and then there's canon and I really can't see that happening in canon - they should have done it during the Changing Channels ep when it would have been slightly plausible. xD

[kalliel]

Admittedly, I have a hard time with scathing negativity re: SPN, too. And I do think it has to do with fandom's somewhat skewed expectations in part. (Especially with regard to hankering back for S1/2. They are not those people any more. I value the changes. I don't love the Winchesters any more or any less now than I do their S1/2 selves; they are different people now. Also, if you rewatch S1/2 have their own problems many unhappy with S5/6 tend to...conveniently forget. XD THOUGH WHAT I DO. WHEN I MISS S1/2. IS I REWATCH S1/2.)

I think the big difference for me (aka why I prefer positivity to criticism) is, SPN is both my Show and my fandom. And as my fandom, there are two important things: 1) What happens in canon absolutely is what happens. These are the choices the conversations the characters the plots the scenes we are given. 2) It is in part the obligations of fans to make connections, fill in or puzzle out or write in whatever it is that will bring that canon home for you. That's on you, as a fan. As someone who loves these characters. As someone who is in this because it makes you happy, or gives you something to be passionate about, or offers you catharsis.

But! At the same time, I've been trying to acknowledge that this is not the same approach everyone has. And they are entitled to a bitchfest if that is how they so choose to participate. I won't read it; it's easy enough to scroll past or avoid. Maybe avoidance isn't always the best coping strategy, but I see no reason why it would be damaging to simply go about fandom in separate spheres.

tl;dr Don't let it get to you, bb! It makes for a much more enjoyable experience if you acknowledge the other side, yet choose not to pry. We can be happy and supportive together! XD

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

I don't have more to say to this than what I already did but I completely agree. I will try to ignore the hatred from now on because if I let it get me down like I have for this first episode - after 22 eps? I'm going to be a depressed wreck and just in an utter state of annoyance forever.

Yes! Happy, supportive fans! That's what I love. <3

[liebesdammerung.livejournal.com]

Did people actually expect everything to be all sunshine and roses between them? o_O

God, people are such bitches. And I must confess, I'm starting to feel how you do about Castiel. :///

<3

[written-within.livejournal.com]

Oh, Amen, girl, A-effing-MEN!

100million % agree.

[gothic-elvis.livejournal.com]

I'm glad you agree! haha <3